Episodes four and five of Conversations on Character welcome insights from Former Secretary of State for Education, Rt. Hon Baroness Nicky Morgan of Cotes and Dr. Sabena Jameel. Episode five sees Former Rt. Hon Baroness Nicky Morgan reflect on how a focus on character shaped her thinking and actions across the ministerial posts she held as well as the need for a national conversation on character in response to the pandemic. Episode four features Dr. Jameel sharing how her understanding of practical wisdom, drawn from her PhD study conducted with the Jubilee Centre, has offered a new perspective on the medical profession and the training received by the next generation of doctors and health professionals. Both episodes are available to view here.